The great thing about this show is, this is the first reality show I’ve ever watched where you really don’t know who’s going to succeed.
How many of us thought this was going to be Kosmo?
So let’s talk about this episode.
The reward challenge this week was to pickup a “moving target”. This is incredibly hard. Remember that most of what you’ve seen is the process of picking up women who are, quite honestly, looking to be picked up. This was the first episode on dealing with picking up women who aren’t expecting it, and have something else to do with their time other than meeting men.
So it was not a surprise that none of the boys were able to close anyone.
Here are the key points to remember when approaching a moving target:
- Never approach from the back. Subconsciously, this makes us feel vulnerable and open to attack. Always open from the front.
- Never open a set that is moving towards you. She will never stop. Ever. No matter who you are.
- Always talk over your shoulder, as if you could walk away at any time.
- Don’t follow her line of motion, make her follow your line of motion.
Those are the rules. Still, none of that makes it automatic, or even easy. It’s not. Notice that, after the boys all failed, Mystery did not jump in and show them how it’s done.
But there are ways to make it easier. Notice that the guy who came the closest was Brady. Remember his opening? “Where are the bats?”
Apparently there is some sort of bat cave over there is Austin. Anyways, why this worked is that it is an opening that people will stop for.
If you ask “what time is it?”, she will look at her watch, tell you the time, and never stop moving. Don’t use opinion openers, either. They make no sense in the context of a moving target. Ask directions. Ask where something is, and she’ll stop. Half way through her telling you how to get there, interrupt her and ask her if she’s been there. And so on.
At some point, derail the conversation and start your routines. What point? Roughly the moment that she begins to forget why you stopped her in the first place. Maybe three situational threads later, jump into your usual stuff. Now, guess what? You’re not dealing with a moving target anymore. It’s just day game. Get her over to a bench and keep chatting her up.
I could have gotten all three of those guys to close on the bridge.
So no one won, and no one got Tara as a pivot. I’m glad, because for the field test, that would have been horribly unfair.
In class, Mystery mentioned the difficulty of picking up women at work. That’s funny, because I just finished the chapter on at-work pickup for my new ebook. He dropped the topic completely in favor of discussing picking up strippers at work, so I guess I’ll have to pick up the slack in a later post.
So let’s talk about stripper game.
Here’s the bad news about strippers:
- They are paid to be into you, so you can’t trust any indicators of interest (IOIs).
- Every night, a hundred guys want to go home with them. You are just another one of them.
- The club most likely has rules preventing them from leaving with you or giving you their number.
Here’s the good news about strippers:
- They have their own money, and aren’t impressed by yours (nor are they disgusted by your lack of money).
- They are fun as hell.
- They are on such a high and unstable pedestal when you meet them, that knocking them off of it is a piece of cake.
- They will approach you.
Now pay attention to Kosmo’s game in this episode. He pretty much nailed it (even though he didn’t close). See how he was leaning back, looking around, dropping negs, but at the same time giving her respect.
The last thing a stripper wants to hear from you is how you pity her and wish she could do another job. She doesn’t want to be asked “why do you do this?” or “do you like this?”, nor does she want to hear how douchey all the other guys in the club are. She does want to be asked what else she does, because most strippers do something else besides stripping. My recommendation is to ask that question with authority. Mention that you dated strippers in the past, and you know they all have a side interest. It’s usually “beauty school”, but let her tell you.
Whatever you do, do not get a lap dance, and do not buy her a drink. None of that stuff. If she doesn’t get hooked without you throwing money at her, let her walk away. The minute you pull out your wallet, you lower your value to her.
One final, and obvious tip: do not stare at her body. Every other guy in there is there to see naked women. You have to be the one guy who can see a naked woman whenever the hell you want, and you demonstrate that by not getting distracted by her nudity.
It looked like the club in last nights episode was actually a non-nude club. So that last point was easy for them. It’s brutally hard in any other club.
Ok, so the winner was: Brady. Didn’t see that coming.
Notice that Brady initially fell into a bad trap. He was basically insulting the girl. Remember kids, a neg is not an insult. A neg is a playful, backhanded compliment or a neutral, asexual comment meant to disqualify yourself as a potential suitor. It is not an insult. Brady was insulting that first girl. He insulted the second girl as well, by asking where all the hotties were, but he recovered nicely by saying “only kidding”. But that was a dangerous line to cross. Pulling that kind of shit can get you thrown out of the club if you don’t play your cards right.
So let me just sum this up by telling you the number on tip on how to date a stripper: meet her outside the club. Their defenses are just too damn high. Its a brutal game. She will spend the fist 80% of the process trying to separate you from your money, and the minute she does, you lost. Outside of the club, she won’t be in stripper mode anymore, and will just be a normal woman.
That’s why the big key to picking her up in the club is to get her out of stripper mode as fast as possible. Remember the girl who walked over to Brady and tried to sit on his lap? He didn’t let her, and said “I’m not in that headspace right now.” This subconsciously allows her to get out of that headspace as well. The next step is to start talking about anything other than strippers and strip clubs. Here’s where you go into your “what else do you have going on?” routine. Get her to talk about her interests outside the club ASAP.























10 responses so far ↓
1 Lemonhead // Sep 18, 2007 at 10:06 am
Awesome post.
But dude, thinking for even a second that you can’t stop a moving set is such a limiting belief. Anyone can do it. I’ve done it, and I’m not even a “pua” or anything.
peace
2 seenstr // Sep 18, 2007 at 10:19 am
I didn’t say you couldn’t stop a moving set, in fact I told you how to stop a moving set.
What I said is that you shouldn’t stop a moving set if it is moving towards you.
Here’s the thing: can you stop it? Sure, you can make them stop, but your frame is going to be so fucked up at that point that you aren’t going to close it.
Remember, the goal isn’t just to open a set, or stop a moving set, or whatever little minute detail there is. The point is to close.
3 Marie // Sep 18, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Just saw you comments on the message board and thought I would check this out. I am a fan of this show. I am wondering if there will be a season 2. Now on to my thoughts.
I realize like everybody that this is for entertainment value. However, I was totally shocked that Brady finally closed. I too suffer from nervous anxiety from time to time. I am glad he finally said what the hell and did it. If we let our anxiety hold us back we will never accomplish anything.
4 seenstr // Sep 18, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Hey Marie-
Check out my post about Approach Anxiety from a couple days ago. Its a brief summary from the chapter on AA from the Guide to Seduction eBook we’re putting together right now.
AA is actually really easy to overcome, but you need that one initial PUSH to get past it.
All anxiety (even closing anxiety) is just like approach anxiety. You heard the term “PULL THE TRIGGER” being screamed by Mystery and Matador — it really is like pulling the trigger. You just DO it, and then its over.
5 LaMule // Sep 18, 2007 at 7:55 pm
How many of us thought this was going to be Kosmo?
I could be wrong but could it be that the producers choosed Kosmo to be the winner right from the start? I think the first challenge where he was a mute was a failed attemp to show he had no game… he is a natural! In that regard Brady (who improved a lot) would deserve to win. Still I would bet with anyone 100$ that Kosmo will be chosen as the master PUA.
6 Ace // Sep 19, 2007 at 8:56 am
Great post seenstr -
But, LaMule i have to disagree with u. As far as I could tell Kosmo did not appear to be acting. Granted him and Brady were probably the most attractive guys from the start - but neither of them were naturals. I truly believe their reactions, emotions, and in-field tests were legit. I have never met Mystery, but from all I’ve learned about him - I would say that he would not FAKE this show. He’s too proud. He wants to prove to everyone that his methods and teachings really do work… because they do!
I’m really excited for the last episode - it should be really interesting to see how they coach AFC’s.
Ace
7 Twenty Twenty // Sep 19, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Hey Seenstr,
As usual, great details and insights.
Especially about the stripper mindset.
Most men never get that they have a very focused game when they are on stripper turf.
And you have a much better chance at an authentic connection and read on her if you are in a normal setting.
Enjoy the Day!
20/20 John Wingert
http://www.nlplive.com
8 space // Sep 20, 2007 at 1:21 pm
So what is so hard about picking up a girl at work? as long as she isnt a stripper or really busy wouldnt it be the same as a normal pick up? For example if she was a waitress or worked at a retail store what would you do different?
9 who knows // Sep 24, 2007 at 5:07 pm
who was the winner of the pick up aritst?
10 Ken // Nov 19, 2007 at 7:40 am
Stripper: “Do you want a lap dance big boy?”
Me: “I’d love to but not tonight.”
Stripper:”Awww, come on. I promise you’ll like it”
Me: “Maybe some other time…what is your name anyway?”
Stripper:”Honey Sweet”
Me, chuckling: “Ok Honey. My name is Rod Shaftly.”
Honey, laughing: “Is that your real name?”
Me: “No. Is that yours?”
Honey: “Maybe. So if you don’t want to look at strippers then why are you here?”
Me: …!!!…!!!…!!!…?
Stripper turf. If you ignore her nakidity or act generally unimpressed by all the waving boobs then why are you there?
If you aren’t at a strip club for the naked women are we there for the great pickled eggs?
Should we just ‘fess up and say “I’m here to pick up, either you or some other incredibly lucky woman”
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