Pradeep is back to his old self again. Not a master PUA, but a master CB.
Before I begin recapping episode 6, let me toss out a few thoughts I had while watching last night.
First of all, notice all the crying. I didn’t make a big deal out of it during last week’s episode, but it is abundantly clear that we are dealing with a room full of sensitive guys. Highly sensitive, in fact. Is there any wonder that they had a hard time with women all their lives?
I was watching with a girl last night, and I tossed out that comment: “their biggest problem is their sensitivity”. She said, “why would that be a problem? Girls love sensitive guys.”
Wow, how little women know about themselves. No, in fact women don’t love sensitive guys, as anything other than really close friends. Girls don’t love assholes either, but the reason they often end up with assholes is because assholes, for all their many personality flaws, at least aren’t sensitive. I know that sounds bizarre, but its a fact. A woman will not risk mingling her DNA with a mate who is severely lacking in the strength department. She would much rather hook up with a complete dirtbag, because then, at least, her offspring have a fighting chance in the world. Dirtbags are pretty capable of fending for themselves.
This is precisely why tactics like negging, shit-test survival, cocky-funny, etc work so well. They demonstrate a lack of sensitivity, and thereby demonstrate to a woman that you are a strong, suitable mate. Remember that even though we live in the year 2007, and casual sex, flings, brief relationships and non-reproductive sex are the norm, our psychology is still deeply rooted in the caveman era. My theory of social interactions, Hacking Human Nature, is based very heavily on this concept. In order to understand how people operate now, you must first understand how they operated then.
Ok, on to the episode. From the previews, I thought that this week’s reward challenge would be something like getting lap dances from Tara and Leya without sporting wood. Instead, it was a quite different, and quite clever challenge. The girls modeled lingerie for the boys, ostensibly to teach them about erotic fashion, but after it was all over, Mystery revealed that during the fashion show, the women were telling the men what they liked and didn’t like. If the guys weren’t distracted by all the nude flesh floating around them, and were able to hear and retain what the girls said, they would have no problem buying lingerie for the women. The winner would be the one who picked out the best outfit for one of the girls.
The prize: Matador on your wing.
Ok, so this challenge was clever, and funny, but overall pretty silly. Yes, it is important to listen to a woman (how else will you know how to push her buttons?) But if the goal was teach the guys not to get distracted by beauty (as the speedo competition last week was sort of doing), there are better ways to go about this.
The winner: Joe D. This wasn’t much of a surprise. Joe D really seems to be taking the whole experience very academically, so one would expect his listening ears to be on at all times.
A little episode drama: Pradeep slaps Joe D in the mouth while they are horsing around. Big deals are made all over. Everyone wants Pradeep gone. Yada yada. Pradeep is kind of a prick, and not someone I would want on my wing ever, but really, the attempt to inject heavy drama into this show is a bit annoying. Just get to gaming already!
On to the field challenge: to not only attract a woman, but to bounce her to another venue. The editors actually gave Mystery a good deal of time to explain this concept to the audience, but there was a little detail left out. Here’s the deal with the bounce:
Remember that the 3 steps to seduction are attraction, comfort building, and seduction. Each of them are equally key. Without attraction, nothing happens. But even a woman who is attracted to you won’t sleep with you if she doesn’t feel comfortable with you. But too much comfort drops you in friend zone, so when enough is built, we move to seduction and close the deal. The problem is, comfort building cannot be done in a club. No girl will become comfortable enough with you 15 minutes after meeting you to drop her pants and let you have at it. But it can be done in one night.
I have made this happen many times in the past, and it all happened because of the bounce. The bounce is a subtle psychological thing. A woman will feel weird meeting a guy at a club, then running home to have sex with him. But she wouldn’t feel as weird if she had been on several dates with him. Believe it or not, the anchor point for this comfort isn’t time, or frequency, it’s location. If a woman has been three different places with you, it will feel more like she’s known you for a long time than if you met at the same place 100 times.
The last time I did this, I met a girl at a coffee house at around 9pm. After a brief chat, and a very difficult attraction phase, I invited her to go down the block with me to grab a quick bite to eat. We continued our conversation, then walked around the strip mall we were in a bit. About 11:30pm I asked her to go down to the beach with me to get some sea air. At 12:30 she invited me back to her place to watch a movie. And the rest is history. 3.5 hours to seduction. Without the multiple venues, this would have been a #-Close.
If you noticed in last night’s episode, the guys pretty much failed at this. Even Kosmo, who successfully bounced, was awkward as all hell. The way to do this is to spring the bounce during an interesting conversational thread. Don’t finish a thread and then suggest leaving, because at that moment, psychologically, we are at an end-point. As a PUA, your goal is to turn end-points into start-points. But for everyone else in the room, an end-point feels like time to say goodbye.
Instead, you start a great story, get everyone’s attention, and right when you feel that they are rapt, waiting breathlessly for your next word, you say “I’m hungry, let’s go across the street and get some food and I’ll finish the story.” Works like a charm. Two to three bounces in one night feels, to her, like several dates. Additionally, the change in venue helps keep things interesting, and it feeds her need for romance.
Back to the show: Pradeep cock-blocked Joe D. It may have been intentional. His rapport with the women was shameful.
Kosmo won the challenge. He bounced with two ladies, won immunity, and got a little confidence booster.
Eliminated: Pradeep. Thank God. Good riddance. Joe D was on the chopping block tonight as well, as he should have been. He pretty much blew his time with Matador. Matador, on the other hand, looked awesome in the field. Joe D still fails to leave attraction, as far as I can see. He has a hard time seeing when he’s achieved attraction and is free to move on to comfort.
One final note about tonight’s episode: Mystery’s game is supposed to work on 8s, 9s and 10s. The women I’ve seen the guys picking up are 5s and 6s at best. The 9s and 10s they do approach are failing to find anything interesting about these guys. The reason is that they, and perhaps Mystery himself, are failing to truly understand why these tactics work. They are tossing them out with no regard for nuance whatsoever, and the 9s and 10s in the club are not responding. This can be corrected, and I wonder why Mystery isn’t correcting it.
Next week: picking up strippers (harder than you think!)
13 responses so far ↓
1 Byron // Sep 11, 2007 at 11:26 am
i like the bounce concept, it seemed to work for them rather well. my only problem is that where i live, the only places open at night are bars, no resteraunts, coffee bars, nothing. and taking her from one bar to another dosn’t exactly sound like it will buld comfort levels. i live in Bozeman montana, if anyne has been here, please help me out.
2 James // Sep 11, 2007 at 11:28 am
The stripper episode next week should be good. I’ve always thought of strippers like waitresses, you are just another a-hole customer. Mystery won’t elaborate at all on the actual techniques they use, would you enlighten us on this topic.
3 Byron // Sep 11, 2007 at 12:25 pm
i agree with james, that would be some usefull infrmation.
4 seenstr // Sep 11, 2007 at 12:44 pm
I will definitely elaborate on stripper game. I dated two strippers in my life, both of which I met outside the strip club, and I’ve known several more over the years. There is a definite obstacle to picking up a stripper at a strip club, and it is a big one.
I will cover this in the ep 7 recap on monday.
Also, Byron- bouncing to another bar is just fine. But there must be another public gathering place for people who don’t drink? Where do under-21 people gather after hours?
5 Byron // Sep 11, 2007 at 4:40 pm
i have no idea. there is a book at the collage called the Unofficial guide to collage for freshman. i could look in the nightlife section and see what it says. even though i’m a junior.
6 Alex // Sep 11, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Hey Byron, I grew up in Bozeman so I know what you mean about everything shutting down at night. I moved away after high school so unfortunately I can’t give you good advice about places to bounce to, but Bozeman’s a college town so you could run some wicked day game. Like Mystery said, day game is a bit slower, but that’s ok because Bozeman has that small town laid back feel to it so i think day game’s well suited in that kind of locale. Just work with what you have buddy. Good Luck!
7 Byron // Sep 12, 2007 at 5:20 am
How do you do day game? the show never really gave much instruction on that. and thanks Alex, your help will be valuable.
8 Ace // Sep 12, 2007 at 6:29 am
I knew Joe would win that challenge. And brady totally could have bounced if he knew you your pre-end-point tip. That was definately his problem - he tried to force the bounce when the target said she was already leaving. Her mind is already set on going home and would be difficult to change.
I cannot wait for the stripper challenge!
One thing that is worth mentioning about the bounce is timing.
My buddy and I were in Boston - and we bounced these 2 girls that we had both already k-closed (and then some). Our goal was obviously a full-close (this night occurred pre game knowlege for me so keep that in mind).
So, when the bar closed - we asked them to go get some food. We weren’t from Boston, so we let them choose the venue… bad idea.
They chose this PACKED chinese place (@ 2:30 am mind u) and we had to wait forever.
By the time we sat down, ordered, and ate it was 4 am. Long story short - the girls were tired and just wanted to go back to their place and go to sleep.
Now i know to always have another couple venues pre-chosen. Ones that I know will be fast if necessary - if bouncing doesnt occur till the bar closes. That’s why places like coffee-shops are great.
Obviously, bouncing b4 the bar closes is the goal.
Ace
9 Byron // Sep 12, 2007 at 1:02 pm
hey this is importent. in the main building on campus, there is this place i go to study, for the past fews days there has been this girl who walks by and smiles, a nice big smile. is that a good sign, should i say something and what should i say.
10 seenstr // Sep 12, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Byron-
Of course it’s a good sign. Even if she is just a friendly girl and smiles at everyone, she is still indicating that she is open to approach.
More likely though, she is giving you an approach invitation. The worst thing you should do is wait — approach invitations expire quickly. And if you strike early, you demonstrate your strength to her, and increase you chances of being viewed as a potential mate.
If you wait too long, you will look weak, and get dropped into the friend zone.
As for what to say: it really doesn’t matter. Remember the universal opener is…
“Hi”.
But stay away from situational openers. Don’t ask what she studies, etc. Simply engage her in an interesting discussion. Tell her you are working on a paper on _______, and you would like her opinion. Make up a topic, it doesn’t matter. Just say, “hey, I need a woman’s point of view on this paper I’m working on. I really need to get back to writing, but can I ask you what you think about ____?”
And thus the conversation begins.
11 Byron // Sep 13, 2007 at 7:45 am
Field Report: i talked to her. it amazes me that i was able to do it, but i did. this is how the conversation went, “excuse me you have a moment, i have a cousin that wants a tatoo, but her brother dosen’t want a tatoo, and they have both called me asking me to convince the other to their way of thinking.”
after that, she told me what she thought, while maintaining eye contact and smiling, then we switched to what kind is a good tatoo, whats decent and so on. soon after she was called back to work. seenster, did i do good?
because i realized that after that, i have nothing else to say, i do plan o n seeing her later, cause she is by where i study, should i say something like, “i really need to thank you, i called them and told them what you said.” or something like that. is that good,also, should i introduce myself and try to get her name, maybe ask if she isn’t busy later if we can go get coffee or something?
thank you for helping.
12 seenstr // Sep 13, 2007 at 9:05 am
You did good, Byron, you engaged her, which is 90% of the battle. Now you need to learn how to stack material, so you aren’t left standing there with nothing to say when the conversational thread ends.
DON’T open her next time with a thank you. You need to adopt the attitude now that SHE should be thanking YOU. Why? Because you made her day a little bit more interesting yesterday.
Byron, can you post this field report in the forum, under Field Reports? Write it up with as much detail as possible. Write out the conversation, how it went, etc. Full detail. I’ll go over a few things with you in there.
13 Byron // Sep 13, 2007 at 10:54 am
sure, my screen name is Lonely22, i’ll post it now.
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