Seenstr - Hacking Human Nature

I’m putting the finishing touches on the “Seenstr’s Guide to Threesomes” eBook, so I don’t have a super original topic tonight. Instead I thought it might be fun to do another alternative field report, wherein I goof relentlessly on the shitty game of some losers. Join me, won’t you?

The Scene: Three girls and I are just chilling out on the street. It’s a weeknight, about 9:30 PM. We’ve got an HB10 and an HB8, and one of their friends. Probably a 3-4, the third one. The HB10 is a regular hookup of mine, a great girl, and incidentally, a contributor to the threesome guide (she provided the female POV). The HB8 is a girl I wouldn’t say no to, but for some reason she doesn’t quite do it for me. The 3-4 is a fun girl, but not much to look at.

Let’s begin. The four of us are chatting. Two AFCs approach, dressed in the ultra-chic K-Mart Urban style(1) and interrupt(2). Immediately, they ignore me, and the 3(3), and begin their pitch.

AFC 1: “Hey girls, we are looking for a couple girls to be in a calendar, it’s for (a major alcohol company).”(4)

Note that AFC 2 never uttered a word though the entire exchange(5).

HB10: “Really, how much does it pay?”(6)

AFC 1: “Uh, pay, uh, we don’t know yet”(7)

HB8: “And you want us to do it?”

AFC 1: “Well, there’s an audition at 10:30″(8)

HB10: “Yeah, we’ve got plans. See ya.”(9)

AFC 1: “Ok, well here’s my card… (trails off)”

We continue chatting.

Analysis:

First of all, everyone knows this is a pickup, right? It is. It is a lame pickup, as old as Hollywood itself. But it can work on unsuspecting young women. The biggest problem with this sort of pickup (the job offer pickup) is that, uh, it hinges on a job.

This is a common move among photographers, at least here in LA. I have heard of it working, but only rarely. The reason it is interesting to analyze is that it exemplifies a key mistake many AFCs make when meeting women: they are so afraid of rejection, they attempt to anchor themselves to the target with a job, or some other obligation. The thinking goes something like this: “if she blows me off, she’s not rejecting me, she’s rejecting the job“.

Why is it a terrible move? Because if the woman is going along with it, it’s because of the job, not you. At some point you are going to have to move from job mode to pickup mode, but by attempting the anchor, you are actually making it much, much harder to get yourself into the desired mode. You are actually making the “sale” much, much harder, because you’ve added another obstacle — namely, you’ve set up a financially based relationship now. Again, how do you go from that to seduction without coming off as a creep?

In the specific case of a photographer approaching a potential model, here are the two possible outcomes: Case A: he takes photos of her, and they come out well. Comfort established, he then moves in to seduce. She rejects, because it may screw up her chances of getting more good photos out of her later on. Case B: he takes photos of her, they are terrible, she thinks he’s a loser and wasted her time.

But let’s look at the other mistakes made here:

1. That hip-hop look… guys, I’m telling you, the women are goofing on you behind your back. I have known women in relationships with guys like this who confide to me, in private, that they think their men look like assholes. And they really do look like assholes.
2. When you approach a 4 set, of course you are going to interrupt. But interrupt with something interesting. At least break in politely, “hey guys, sorry to interrupt, but…” This guy just launched into a pitch, and looked like an idiot.
3. Never ignore the unattractive girl. I knew all three of these girls, have slept with the 10, and in fact have had threesomes with the 10 on numerous occasions. And I still spent most of my time engaging the 3. Why? Because the 3 is always the one most likely to kill the scene. She will get annoyed standing there while the other girls get all the attention. She’ll vocalize that, her friends will feel bad for her, and they will all disappear. Plus you telegraph interest when you focus only on the hot girls. You want to look like a social, fun guy, not a lecherous hardon.Also, never ignore the guy in the group. Note that I’m chatting with three girls, including an 8 and a 10. They clearly have accepted me. If you can get me to accept you, you’re in. In this case, however, as soon as the guys walked away, I started goofing on them, and the girls all accepted my summary of their worth. If they had won me over, I might have said something nice about them when they left, increasing their value in the eyes of the girls.Always engage the male of the group. Always.
4. Although this may seem reasonable in this context, it is a sad attempt at DHV. And sad attempts at DHV are actually DLVs. “I work for ____” in breath one? How much more uninteresting can a person get? If your job is what makes you interesting, we need to focus on broadening your horizons. Your job should, ideally, be one of the least interesting things about you.
5. AFC 2 remained silent. Shitty wingman. AFC 1 looks like a chump for even being associated with this guy.
6. HB10 establishes that she’s heard this crap before, and that if she were interested, it would only be for the paycheck. Again, that’s why this one rarely works.
7. You are recruiting girls for a modeling job, for a “major company”, but you have no idea about a key detail like what it pays? Ok, this is starting to smell like bullshit.
8. An audition at 10:30pm on a Wednesday? Now it definitely smells like bullshit. HB10s and HB8s in Los Angeles are very likely to know how the business works, either from working in the business, or having friends who work in the business. Never pass yourself off as an agent, scout, or anything else unless you really know your shit. The 5s and 6s will know you aren’t looking for them, because they know they aren’t beautiful. The 8s, 9s and 10s will know the business inside and out, and smell your shit a mile away.

   Legitimate modeling jobs are not cast after 10pm on weeknights.  Any 8+ girl in LA knows this.

9. Game over.

Never do this guys. It’s lame, and it never works. Key lessons: Stay true. Make yourself interesting. Engage the 3 and any males in the group. Find a wingman who can talk.

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